Solicitud de Auxilio a los Panas. Mi Burra Enfermo...

Buen día una vez mas Reciban un cordial Saludos a los Panas de la comunidad. En esta oportunidad mi Burra enfermo y yo voy por el mismo camino si no la arreglo je-je. Bueno mas o menos les cuento desde el sábado pasado comenzó a notarse mas la falla de esos avisos que da. Primero me empezó a bajar la Rpm. Luego Prendía como al 3er intento. seguido a que se me apago una cuantas veces pero enseguida prendía. Luego el sábado pasado se me apago y estuve accidentado como 4 Horas le metí mano por todo lados le cambien por lo rápido el filtro de gasolina, le limpie las bujías revise y medio limpie algunos conectores y pare de contar. cuando le dio la gana prendió pistoneando se estabilizaba hacia como para apagarse y se volvía a estabilizar hasta que pude llegar a casa. Me puse a hacerle mantenimiento preventivo: le baje el tanque y aproveche de cambiarle la Bomba (Pila) Limpie el tanque y lo monte. todo Bien. Le di para prenderla y prendió al tiro al rato se apago sola, le di para prender y nada, espere y luego prendió y se me volvió a apagar??? Favor algún Pana darme algunas ideas para resolver la enfermedad de mi Burra Gracias de ante mano. Saludos

pana puede ser el avioncito q ya te este hechando varilla una ves me paso como si se iba la señal y volvia y era uno de los cables del avioncito q se partio y hacia contacto cuando le daba la gana.

x2 avioncito mi pana!!!!!

HJAYARO escribió:pana puede ser el avioncito q ya te este hechando varilla una ves me paso como si se iba la señal y volvia y era uno de los cables del avioncito q se partio y hacia contacto cuando le daba la gana.

Ok, Gracias Pana por esa... ahora tengo que ver como y donde consigo ese bendito avioncito porque el que tiene la camioneta lo veo como redondo.

juan29 escribió:x2 avioncito mi pana!!!!!

Que mas Alto Pana Juan, Lo que me habías dicho en una oportunidad. Ok, Gracias Pana por esa... ahora tengo que ver como y donde consigo ese bendito avioncito porque el que tiene la camioneta lo veo como redondo.

SERA UN AVIONCITO DE LOS DE CHAVEZ?

yo lei esto entre dormido y despierto y creo que puede ser avion o los cables del conectarot al avion men

Pana haz un escaneo desde el tablero para ver que te dice....!!!

HJAYARO escribió:SERA UN AVIONCITO DE LOS DE CHAVEZ?

De repente Avior o conviasa ahí esta el detalle que no se cual de los 2 je-je

elalbino escribió:yo lei esto entre dormido y despierto y creo que puede ser avion o los cables del conectarot al avion men

Ok Gracias por tu aporte pana, creo que guarda bastante relación, fíjate que hoy le di y prendió al tiro pero no me confío. mañana echo llave otra vez. Saludos

Nivel_10 escribió:Pana haz un escaneo desde el tablero para ver que te dice....!!!

Bien Hermano gracias por esa idea, déjame terminar de echar llave a ver y sigo tu consejo para terminar de descartar. Saludos

FRANCESKO2009 escribió:

elalbino escribió:yo lei esto entre dormido y despierto y creo que puede ser avion o los cables del conectarot al avion men

Ok Gracias por tu aporte pana, creo que guarda bastante relación, fíjate que hoy le di y prendió al tiro pero no me confío. mañana echo llave otra vez. Saludos

Aqui te dejo un copy and paste de una info que nos hizo llegar Edhu (administrador y amigo de la zona), fijate que al principio hace referencia al metodo de scann de los modelos xj del 97 para abajo, si sigues bajando encontraras el metodo de scann del los modelos 98 en adelante, cualquier cosa no dudes en avisar, saludos

"Para ver los codigos lo que tienen que hacer es:
*meter la llave y pasarla a ignition y en 5seg darle 3 veces, osea (on,off,on,off luego on y dejar la llave en la posicion de off)
*luego mirar la luz del check engine (tiene forma de motor) y esta va a parpadear rapidamente con pequeñas pausas
(cada flash es un numero, el primero del codigo) luego hay una pausa intermedia que indica el segundo numero media el flash.
*Luego de esto hay una pausa grande donde viene el proximo codigo.

Por ejemplo si les digo que tengo el codigo 55 lo leeriamos de la siguente forma:
5 flashes rapidos.......una pausa media y luego 5 flashes rapidos

espero les sirva Smile

Code Description Most likely reason
11 No crank signal to computer Fault in wiring between crankshaft position sensor (CPS) and ECM ( PCM or computer ) or faulty CPS.
12 Battery disconnected Battery or power to the ECM disconnected in the last 50 key cycles.
13 MAP Sensor No change in Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) between engine off and on. Check circuit and MAP sensor.
14 MAP Sensor MAP sensor voltage too high or low. Check circuit and sensor.
15 Speed sensor or circuit No signal detected from speed sensor. Check circuit and sensor.
17 Engine running too cold Wrong or faulty thermostat. Check also sensor and circuit for fault.
21 Oxygen sensor or circuit O2 sensor or wiring faulty.
22 Coolant sensor or circuit Check temp sensor and wiring.
23 Intake air temp or circuit Check air temp sensor and wiring.
24 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Check TPS sensor and wiring.
25 Idle Air Control circuit (IAC) Check IAC sensor and wiring.
27 Fuel injector control circuit Will need specialist diagnostics.
31 Evaporative control circuit Fault in fuel evaporative control circuit or hoses.
33 Air conditioning clutch relay Wiring to A/C clutch fault.
34 Cruise control circuit Fault in circuit.
35 Cooling fan relay Check relay and circuit.
37 Torque converter clutch. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
41 Alternator field switch. Switch not operating correctly and check charging system.
42 Automatic shutdown relay. Check relay and circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
43 Misfire. Misfire in one or more cylinders.
44 Battery temperature sensor. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
46 Battery over voltage. Check charging system.
47 Battery under voltage. Check charging system.
51 O2 detects lean mixture. Check sensor and circuit and for vacuum leaks.
52 O2 detects rich mixture. Check fuel injection system and sensor.
53 Powertrain Control Module. PCM (ECM) fault. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
54 Distributor sync pickup. Change sync sensor in distributor.
55 End of code. Trouble codes finished or none recorded.
62 Emissions reminder. Emissions maintenance reminder. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
63 Controller failure. EEPROM write denied. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
72 Catalytic converter circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
76 Fuel pump bypass relay circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
77 Cruise control system. Check power to cruise control solenoids.
On 1984 to 1986 V6 only models the codes can also be read. First locate the diagnostics connector which is on the left fenderwell and is divided into two sections with six in the lower section ( 3 rows of 2 ) and fifteen in the upper section ( 3 rows of 5 ). In the upper section you have to run a wire between terminal six ( first row 4 down from the top ) and terminal 7 ( third row 3 down from the top ). Then turn the key into the on position making sure not to start it while these terminals are connected at any time. It should flash the code 12 ( 1 flash, pause, 2 flashes ) three times in a row and will repeat this sequence until disconnected if no other codes are recorded. If there are any faults stored then they will follow afterwards repeating themselves three times before moving on to the next code. To clear to codes remove negative cable for 10 seconds or longer.
Code Description Most likely reason
12 Terminals 6 and 7 connected. If appears when terminals not connected and engine running, no signal between distributor and computer.
13 Oxygen sensor circuit. Check TPS adjustment. Check O2 wiring and sensor.
14 Coolant sensor circuit. Overheating or fault in wiring or coolant sensor.
15 Coolant sensor circuit. Low temperature or fault in wiring or coolant sensor.
21 TPS circuit. Signal voltage high. Check TPS and adjustment. Also wiring at both computer and TPS ends.
23 Mixture control (M/C). Check wiring at M/C solenoid and computer. Clear code and re-check after driving.
34 MAP sensor. Check wiring and hose in case of leak. Otherwise replace.
41 No distributor signal. Check distributor wiring and pick-up coil connections.
42 EST or bypass problem. Check wire to terminal 12 on ECM or faulty HEI module can cause same code.
44 Lean exhaust. Check for sticking M/C solenoid also terminals 9 and 14 at ECM. Vacuum leakage or faulty O2 sensor.
44-45 O2 sensor or circuit. O2 circuit wiring or sensor faulty.
45 Rich exhaust. Check for sticking M/C solenoid and wiring plus charcoal canister for fuel. O2 sensor faulty.
51 PROM fault. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
54 M/C solenoid Check wiring at M/C and ECM. Faulty M/C.
55 Reference voltage. Check short to ground on ECM terminal 21 wire. O2 sensor or ECM faulty

En los modelos del 98 al 2002 puedes acceder al sistema de codigos de la siguiente manera: Inserta la llave y sin girarla presiona por completo el boton RESET del cuenta kilometros y mantenlo. Luego gira la llave hacia la posicion de encendido (sin producir ignicion!!!) tres veces dejando la llave en la posision de encendido. Suelta el boton de RESET y veras como las agujas se sacuden y el cuenta kilometros comienza una cuenta regresiva hasta mostrar un numero de dos digitos el cual representa un codigo de falla.

Code Description

11 No camshaft reference during cranking signal detected during engine cranking.
12 Battery power to PCM was disconnected.
13 No variation in MAP from start to run sensor is detected. No difference recognized between engine MAP reading and barometric pressure reading at start- up.
14 MAP sensor input below or above acceptable voltage.
15 No vehicle speed signal. No vehicle distance (speed) sensor signal detected during road load conditions or shaft speed less than 60 rpm when speed above 15 mph.
17 Engine is cold too long. Engine coolant temperature remains below normal operating temperatures during vehicle travel (thermostat).
21 O2 sensor voltage not detected from the oxygen sensor input. Or 02 sensor input voltage maintained above or below normal operating range.
22 Coolant sensor voltage. Sensor input above or below acceptable voltage.
23 Charge air temp. sensor. Sensor input above or below acceptable voltage.
24 TPS voltage sensor input above or below the minimum acceptable voltage. Or TPS signal does not correlate to MAP sensor.
25 AIS motor circuits. An open or shorted condition detected in one or more of the IAC control circuits. Or target idle speed not met.
27 Injector # X control circuit Injector output driver does not respond properly to the control signal.
31 An open or shorted condition in Purge Solenoid circuit. Incorrect vapour flow detected. Possible leak or blocked between solenoid and fuel tank.
33 A/C clutch relay circuit An open or shorted condition detected in the A/C clutch relay circuit.
34 S/C solenoid circuits An open or shorted condition detected in the speed control vacuum or vent solenoid circuits. Voltage too high or low.
35 Radiator Fan Relay in open or shorted condition detected in the radiator fan relay circuit. ( 2.5L only ).
37 No speed difference detected at 3 to 4 shift or no lockup in torque converter. Problem with trans solenoid with wrong pressure or voltage. Speed to trans ratio below minium required. Park/Neutral switch stuck.
41 Alternator field circuit in open or shorted condition detected in the alternator field control circuit.
42 ASD ( auto shut down ) or fuel pump relay control circuit in open or shorted condition detected. Or no voltage sensed at controllers. No fuel sensor signal detected or changed over time at PCM.
43 Cylinder misfire detected.
44 Battery temperature voltage out of range ( too high or low ).
45 Trans temperature/ Governor pressure voltage out of range. Less than 1.55 or above 3.73volts for temperature and less than .1 or above 4.89 volts. Trans temp. to high or low. OD switch input too low for more than 5 mins.
46 Charging system voltage high. Battery voltage sense input above target charging voltage during engine operation.
47 Charging system voltage low. Battery voltage sense input below target charging voltage during engine operation.
51 O2 signal below centre. Oxygen sensor signal indicates lean fuel/air ratio condition during engine operation.
52 O2 signal above centre. Oxygen sensor signal indicates rich fuel/air ratio condition during engine operation or Adaptive memory at lean limit.
53 Internal Controller failure in PCM. Internal Controller fault condition detected.
54 No Sync signal. No camshaft position signal detected during engine cranking.
62 Controller failure. EMR miles not stored.
63 Failure to write to EEPROM location by PCM.
72 Catalyst efficiency below required level.
76 Fuel pump resistor Open or shorted condition by-pass relay circuit detected in fuel pump by-pass relay circuit
77 Malfunction detected with power feed to speed control servo solenoids"

chamo el avioncito lo puedes conseguir en carabobo jeep o en repuesto JBC. y si no hay alli, llegate a bemarka

luismens escribió:chamo el avioncito lo puedes conseguir en carabobo jeep o en repuesto JBC. y si no hay alli, llegate a bemarka

Que mas Pana Luis Gracias por esa, fui a Bemarka pregunte y me dijeron que costaba Bs. 1600 Mopar, perooo je-je termine en naguanagua y compre uno a Bs. 990 Marca Crown segun N° de parte 4638128, Lo que me llama la atención es que este avioncito no trae marca alguna solamente la caja??? el negocio se llama naguajeep y esta ubicado en la av. Bolívar vieja de naguanagua c.c. Los Guayabitos Nivel planta Baja local 03

Nivel_10 escribió:

FRANCESKO2009 escribió:

elalbino escribió:yo lei esto entre dormido y despierto y creo que puede ser avion o los cables del conectarot al avion men

Ok Gracias por tu aporte pana, creo que guarda bastante relación, fíjate que hoy le di y prendió al tiro pero no me confío. mañana echo llave otra vez. Saludos

Aqui te dejo un copy and paste de una info que nos hizo llegar Edhu (administrador y amigo de la zona), fijate que al principio hace referencia al metodo de scann de los modelos xj del 97 para abajo, si sigues bajando encontraras el metodo de scann del los modelos 98 en adelante, cualquier cosa no dudes en avisar, saludos

"Para ver los codigos lo que tienen que hacer es:
*meter la llave y pasarla a ignition y en 5seg darle 3 veces, osea (on,off,on,off luego on y dejar la llave en la posicion de off)
*luego mirar la luz del check engine (tiene forma de motor) y esta va a parpadear rapidamente con pequeñas pausas
(cada flash es un numero, el primero del codigo) luego hay una pausa intermedia que indica el segundo numero media el flash.
*Luego de esto hay una pausa grande donde viene el proximo codigo.

Por ejemplo si les digo que tengo el codigo 55 lo leeriamos de la siguente forma:
5 flashes rapidos.......una pausa media y luego 5 flashes rapidos

espero les sirva Smile

Code Description Most likely reason
11 No crank signal to computer Fault in wiring between crankshaft position sensor (CPS) and ECM ( PCM or computer ) or faulty CPS.
12 Battery disconnected Battery or power to the ECM disconnected in the last 50 key cycles.
13 MAP Sensor No change in Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) between engine off and on. Check circuit and MAP sensor.
14 MAP Sensor MAP sensor voltage too high or low. Check circuit and sensor.
15 Speed sensor or circuit No signal detected from speed sensor. Check circuit and sensor.
17 Engine running too cold Wrong or faulty thermostat. Check also sensor and circuit for fault.
21 Oxygen sensor or circuit O2 sensor or wiring faulty.
22 Coolant sensor or circuit Check temp sensor and wiring.
23 Intake air temp or circuit Check air temp sensor and wiring.
24 Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Check TPS sensor and wiring.
25 Idle Air Control circuit (IAC) Check IAC sensor and wiring.
27 Fuel injector control circuit Will need specialist diagnostics.
31 Evaporative control circuit Fault in fuel evaporative control circuit or hoses.
33 Air conditioning clutch relay Wiring to A/C clutch fault.
34 Cruise control circuit Fault in circuit.
35 Cooling fan relay Check relay and circuit.
37 Torque converter clutch. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
41 Alternator field switch. Switch not operating correctly and check charging system.
42 Automatic shutdown relay. Check relay and circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
43 Misfire. Misfire in one or more cylinders.
44 Battery temperature sensor. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
46 Battery over voltage. Check charging system.
47 Battery under voltage. Check charging system.
51 O2 detects lean mixture. Check sensor and circuit and for vacuum leaks.
52 O2 detects rich mixture. Check fuel injection system and sensor.
53 Powertrain Control Module. PCM (ECM) fault. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
54 Distributor sync pickup. Change sync sensor in distributor.
55 End of code. Trouble codes finished or none recorded.
62 Emissions reminder. Emissions maintenance reminder. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
63 Controller failure. EEPROM write denied. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
72 Catalytic converter circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
76 Fuel pump bypass relay circuit. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
77 Cruise control system. Check power to cruise control solenoids.
On 1984 to 1986 V6 only models the codes can also be read. First locate the diagnostics connector which is on the left fenderwell and is divided into two sections with six in the lower section ( 3 rows of 2 ) and fifteen in the upper section ( 3 rows of 5 ). In the upper section you have to run a wire between terminal six ( first row 4 down from the top ) and terminal 7 ( third row 3 down from the top ). Then turn the key into the on position making sure not to start it while these terminals are connected at any time. It should flash the code 12 ( 1 flash, pause, 2 flashes ) three times in a row and will repeat this sequence until disconnected if no other codes are recorded. If there are any faults stored then they will follow afterwards repeating themselves three times before moving on to the next code. To clear to codes remove negative cable for 10 seconds or longer.
Code Description Most likely reason
12 Terminals 6 and 7 connected. If appears when terminals not connected and engine running, no signal between distributor and computer.
13 Oxygen sensor circuit. Check TPS adjustment. Check O2 wiring and sensor.
14 Coolant sensor circuit. Overheating or fault in wiring or coolant sensor.
15 Coolant sensor circuit. Low temperature or fault in wiring or coolant sensor.
21 TPS circuit. Signal voltage high. Check TPS and adjustment. Also wiring at both computer and TPS ends.
23 Mixture control (M/C). Check wiring at M/C solenoid and computer. Clear code and re-check after driving.
34 MAP sensor. Check wiring and hose in case of leak. Otherwise replace.
41 No distributor signal. Check distributor wiring and pick-up coil connections.
42 EST or bypass problem. Check wire to terminal 12 on ECM or faulty HEI module can cause same code.
44 Lean exhaust. Check for sticking M/C solenoid also terminals 9 and 14 at ECM. Vacuum leakage or faulty O2 sensor.
44-45 O2 sensor or circuit. O2 circuit wiring or sensor faulty.
45 Rich exhaust. Check for sticking M/C solenoid and wiring plus charcoal canister for fuel. O2 sensor faulty.
51 PROM fault. Needs specialist or dealer diagnostics.
54 M/C solenoid Check wiring at M/C and ECM. Faulty M/C.
55 Reference voltage. Check short to ground on ECM terminal 21 wire. O2 sensor or ECM faulty

En los modelos del 98 al 2002 puedes acceder al sistema de codigos de la siguiente manera: Inserta la llave y sin girarla presiona por completo el boton RESET del cuenta kilometros y mantenlo. Luego gira la llave hacia la posicion de encendido (sin producir ignicion!!!) tres veces dejando la llave en la posision de encendido. Suelta el boton de RESET y veras como las agujas se sacuden y el cuenta kilometros comienza una cuenta regresiva hasta mostrar un numero de dos digitos el cual representa un codigo de falla.

Code Description

11 No camshaft reference during cranking signal detected during engine cranking.
12 Battery power to PCM was disconnected.
13 No variation in MAP from start to run sensor is detected. No difference recognized between engine MAP reading and barometric pressure reading at start- up.
14 MAP sensor input below or above acceptable voltage.
15 No vehicle speed signal. No vehicle distance (speed) sensor signal detected during road load conditions or shaft speed less than 60 rpm when speed above 15 mph.
17 Engine is cold too long. Engine coolant temperature remains below normal operating temperatures during vehicle travel (thermostat).
21 O2 sensor voltage not detected from the oxygen sensor input. Or 02 sensor input voltage maintained above or below normal operating range.
22 Coolant sensor voltage. Sensor input above or below acceptable voltage.
23 Charge air temp. sensor. Sensor input above or below acceptable voltage.
24 TPS voltage sensor input above or below the minimum acceptable voltage. Or TPS signal does not correlate to MAP sensor.
25 AIS motor circuits. An open or shorted condition detected in one or more of the IAC control circuits. Or target idle speed not met.
27 Injector # X control circuit Injector output driver does not respond properly to the control signal.
31 An open or shorted condition in Purge Solenoid circuit. Incorrect vapour flow detected. Possible leak or blocked between solenoid and fuel tank.
33 A/C clutch relay circuit An open or shorted condition detected in the A/C clutch relay circuit.
34 S/C solenoid circuits An open or shorted condition detected in the speed control vacuum or vent solenoid circuits. Voltage too high or low.
35 Radiator Fan Relay in open or shorted condition detected in the radiator fan relay circuit. ( 2.5L only ).
37 No speed difference detected at 3 to 4 shift or no lockup in torque converter. Problem with trans solenoid with wrong pressure or voltage. Speed to trans ratio below minium required. Park/Neutral switch stuck.
41 Alternator field circuit in open or shorted condition detected in the alternator field control circuit.
42 ASD ( auto shut down ) or fuel pump relay control circuit in open or shorted condition detected. Or no voltage sensed at controllers. No fuel sensor signal detected or changed over time at PCM.
43 Cylinder misfire detected.
44 Battery temperature voltage out of range ( too high or low ).
45 Trans temperature/ Governor pressure voltage out of range. Less than 1.55 or above 3.73volts for temperature and less than .1 or above 4.89 volts. Trans temp. to high or low. OD switch input too low for more than 5 mins.
46 Charging system voltage high. Battery voltage sense input above target charging voltage during engine operation.
47 Charging system voltage low. Battery voltage sense input below target charging voltage during engine operation.
51 O2 signal below centre. Oxygen sensor signal indicates lean fuel/air ratio condition during engine operation.
52 O2 signal above centre. Oxygen sensor signal indicates rich fuel/air ratio condition during engine operation or Adaptive memory at lean limit.
53 Internal Controller failure in PCM. Internal Controller fault condition detected.
54 No Sync signal. No camshaft position signal detected during engine cranking.
62 Controller failure. EMR miles not stored.
63 Failure to write to EEPROM location by PCM.
72 Catalyst efficiency below required level.
76 Fuel pump resistor Open or shorted condition by-pass relay circuit detected in fuel pump by-pass relay circuit
77 Malfunction detected with power feed to speed control servo solenoids"

Gracias Pana Carlos, Estaré traduciendo estos códigos para ver bien de que se trata el asunto. Es Bueno saber esto de una u otra manera porque de pana queda uno como indio si no nos aplicamos en esto. Saludos

FRANCESKO2009 escribió:

luismens escribió:chamo el avioncito lo puedes conseguir en carabobo jeep o en repuesto JBC. y si no hay alli, llegate a bemarka

Que mas Pana Luis Gracias por esa, fui a Bemarka pregunte y me dijeron que costaba Bs. 1600 Mopar, perooo je-je termine en naguanagua y compre uno a Bs. 990 Marca Crown segun N° de parte 4638128, Lo que me llama la atención es que este avioncito no trae marca alguna solamente la caja??? el negocio se llama naguajeep y esta ubicado en la av. Bolívar vieja de naguanagua c.c. Los Guayabitos Nivel planta Baja local 03

si yo se cual es esa tienda, es relativamente nueva, cuando los productos son genericos a veces en las cajas no traen etiquetas ni presentacion, ojo no todos los casos

ok, tratare de averiguar si algún otro avioncito de la Crown trae algún tipo de marca. En este caso La caja dice hasta U.S.A pero el cableado, la Base ni el conector no dice nada de nada. Gracias

juan29 escribió:x2 avioncito mi pana!!!!!

Que mas Pana Juan29 Háblame? te cuento la novedad de hoy, luego que trabaje como un Burro con mi Burrita enferma y que le cambie el avioncito ahora no quiere nadaaa prender je-je. Alto Pana veré si lo logro pescar mañana para un auxilio a ver si me puedes cargar la Batería y otras ayuditas mas Je-je Saludos

Ese es el avioncito sukhoy. aqui en maracay cuesta 1200 mopar

julio arturo escribió:Ese es el avioncito sukhoy. aqui en maracay cuesta 1200 mopar

Gracias mi Pana cualquier cosa te pido la 2da ahí.